CRAWFORD: I believe that paper came out in 1957. It turns out that writing tablets actually use both PDLCs and cholesteric liquid crystals in which polymers are dispersed in the cholesteric liquid crystal. In this case, the interviewee, upon review of the original transcript, substantially revised and enhanced their responses to the interviewer's questions. [I believe it was University money I brought him on with. Even Fergason's work was not military-oriented. Well, I talked to Shirley, and we didn't know that we could really afford to move down there. There are numerous small colleges in Northeastern Ohio. If you wish to report an issue or seek an accommodation, please. He thought it was a fascinating field. Because that was something they could really do, what's called a seven-segment display. It required polarizers. These agreements are now well over 30 years ago and probably now terminated and some could be made public. You mentioned using LCI facilities, but were there other interactions?DOANE: [We still use institute facilities at Kent State today as well as facilities of other universities in the area.] Request Tour Send an Email Highlights Here are some of the most popular amenities Air Conditioning Floor Plans 1 unit available Studio It had to be very lightweight, and we couldn't do plastic that well back then. Professor Saupe became more involved [with the departmental faculty at that point too, as did Adriaan De Vries because they got support from THEMIS].Around '74 or so, after about four or five years of the THEMIS grant, the Air Force decided they didn't want to fund basic research anymore and the National Science Foundation, NSF, decided to take it over. We became so well-known in Japan and Asia, you could go over to Asia and they knew about Kent State but learned about Cleveland only because they had to fly into it to get here. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: But it really says something about how important the LCI had become. It was very fundamental research. Or are you working with scientists at the LCI?DOANE: Yes, today we use those facilities. I began to see a problem with the liquid crystal field, all of the display work was being done in industry, and all these people were going to these display society meetings, while the liquid crystal materials people doing basic research were going to the International Liquid Crystal Society. That was something he really wanted to focus on. Available Information : Postal address, Phone number, Fax number, Website, Email address, Mayor, Geographical coordinates, Population, Altitude, Area, Weather and Hotel. Absolutely. With regard to displays, there was one thing we did not have a program in was the active matrix. Everybody in the US lost on this issue. We made some [very nice full-color, high resolution, flexible color displays]. DOANE: Yes, except that back then, it was even more difficult because I think this was prior to the time of the Bayh-Dole Act that gave universities more freedom in the patent business.CRAWFORD: Yes, 1980. We haven't talked a lot about your approach to education and training students. Find all the information of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin or click on the section of your choice in the left menu. They gave it to me to put in the Institute so we could make displays in the Institute. Call today 770-334-8916 ask for Tanya. The government support, both federal and state, were very extremely helpful.CRAWFORD: When you started working full-time at Kent Displays, what was your role at the company? What were those signs?DOANE: They were called Info Signs. Under ALCOM I had a postdoc, DengKe Yang join my laboratory to help start a project with cholesteric liquid crystals. Do source of income protections exist for me at the state level in Georgia? Is it the case that they had seen what the Japanese were doing with displays and came to the American scientific community asking them to develop something like that for them? DOANE: And he said the response from it was just so good that he decided to pursue the field. University patenting was difficult for different reason, but from what I understand, I think around '65, '67, there was an individual in the federal government who was trying to make it easier for federal universities to patent research. They wanted to show that there was economic benefit to all of this. That happened in the late 70s, early 80s.CRAWFORD: Do you recall the name of that researcher from the University of Calabria?DOANE: Yes, his name was Giuseppe Chidichimo, but he called himself Pino. But after a while, the Army saw, and we did, too, that manufacturing these in high volume was not going to be an easy task. That was what really got the company off the ground. Been here 5+ times. The University had put so much into the Institute, had supported it with all of these positions, and here was a marvelous opportunity for the University to get something from it. Anyway, we began to evolve into applied aspects, particularly displays. And it was nice working with the folks at Case and Akron, too. It was his job to do this and extremely helpful to me. Our very first high-volume manufacturing line was supported by the state of Ohio. It's a film that goes on a liquid crystal display so you can see it at a very wide angle. But he did like the concept of working with liquid crystals in living systems, what their role was. As a result the company became focused on writing.CRAWFORD: Before the shift to the Boogie Board, you mentioned that the company was making signs and had some contracts in Israel and whatnot. In order to get color, you have to filter the light through red, green, and blue filters, and those filters absorb a lot of light. Doane became Assistant Director of the LCI (1979-1983) under Glenn Brown and served as the Director from 1983-1996. Use in publications or productions is prohibited without written permission from Kent State University. I don't think they had any effect on the Institute or what it was doing. I went there, and I wasn't in engineering very long. The University certainly had the authority now to own a patent, and Gene Wenninger and I had to figure out how to manage all that. I wanted to learn Morse code, and I needed to make a little oscillator that would make tones and got a [telegraph] key, so I could [practice and] learn Morse code. To me, it was a good way to focus.CRAWFORD: And you saw liquid crystals as something that had broader utility.DOANE: Yeah. Looking back on it, I'm not sure why he hired Fergason in the first place. I thought it was great. I wanted to see that technology get into the US economy in some way. I thought it would've been a marvelous thing for the city of Kent and for Kent State University and even the country to have really capitalized upon this opportunity. CRAWFORD: But students still get their PhD in chemical physics?DOANE: As I understand it, they do [but it may now be broadened to material sciences. The reason I thought this important was that back in the late 80s, I was on a panel to go to Japan that was funded by DARPA, and NSF, to learn what the Japanese were doing and how they got to where they were. Galileo did marvelous science, of course, but he had to support himself and his scientific work as well, and he did it by making things. According to the US Census, the tract of land stretching between Town Center. Another kind he was working on was called a guest host display, where you dissolve a dye material in a liquid crystal, the liquid crystal orders this dye material, and by changing the orientation of the liquid crystals with an electric field, you can change how colorful it is. It was very helpful in addition to Bill Manning's money. One of the researchers, Wolfgang Helfrich, went over to Hoffmann-La Roche, who with Martin Schadt developed the twist cell display. I convinced Bill Manning to come aboard and also found somebody to run the company. It turned out, the annual national meeting that year was in Kansas City. It was horrible. DOANE: They're in airports. He just couldn't do it anymore. John West is the one to talk about that.CRAWFORD: He took over as director after you, correct?DOANE: He did [at a time when the new building was being built]. I just wanted to be from a place that people recognized. I looked at several people before I went to Bill Manning. Dr. Doane, thanks for agreeing to speak to me again.J. [Laugh] And he did. I wanted to get the Institute to an area where we could fund it, and the only way I could see funding at that time was to get some applied activity going on. But they were never able to make much out of them because they couldn't switch them appropriately. Win over prospective landlords with your smart budgeting. The benefit is that they can say, "Look what we're doing for the local economy." One such group was run by a developer named Larry Tannas. After I retired from Kent State, I would've done it if I'd had to, but I thought we could do better with somebody from outside. ]CRAWFORD: Why is that?DOANE: A license won't last very long. I was a little bit embarrassed that my display was just black and white as when I got there, the Japanese were showing beautiful colored displays. After I finished that, the Army discovered that I and one other guy in this class were physicists, and they said they needed communications officers. In the end, the United States didn't get anything from it. [Laugh] I went to high school in Southwest Missouri. Employment protections include being fired, denied employment, or otherwise discriminated against by an employer. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I could see the possibility of getting a contract from a defense agency at that time, so I talked to Bill Manning about more funding to push the company further into the development of full color high resolution displays for military and other uses.. Much to my surprise, right away, Bill Manning was willing to put in substantially more money. There is one here at Kent Displays that is used to welcome people.CRAWFORD: I've seen that. CRAWFORD: What do you think this kind of valuing of certain types of research over the others? But back then, for that situation at that time, me being in academia, in the physics department, and there being a big desire to understand the fundamental properties of liquid crystals, it was important to collect liquid crystal research on the research campus at KSU to help the faculty involved. That is, how these nuclear spins interact with the lattice of molecules in a solid material and exchange energy. I just did what I thought ought to be done. He even got written up in Life Magazine. My experience is that all the good research comes out of really young guys. In this case, the university licenses the patents generated by faculty and students back to them to start a company. It required a liquid crystal, in scientific jargon, with a positive dielectric anisotropy. I'm not quite sure when that started, but around that time, they were focused on display-related work. Of all the discoveries I've made, that was probably the one that made the biggest splash. The competitive twist cell technology in Asia was getting better and better. Located at Interstate 225 at Alameda Avenue, the Town Center at . Is that what people were thinking at the time?DOANE: No, I think back then, the idea of displays for something like TV had probably crossed their mind at some point, but they were really focused on a wristwatch that displayed numbers. It was well-organized by that time and liquid crystal displays were beginning to dominate the display activity.CRAWFORD: Do you recall what year this first meeting you attended was? I thought I wanted to go into electrical engineering.CRAWFORD: Was it the problem-solving, working with your hands that attracted you to engineering?DOANE: I think so. If I get into this now, it'll take us into the separate issues, the flat panel display field.CRAWFORD: Maybe one way to approach this would be, what was your sense of Dr. Brown's vision for the Institute?DOANE: His vision of the Institute, as I understood it, he wanted it to be an academic institute, but he didn't want it on the research campus where other Kent State science research was going on. They gave materials for a presentation, and they were really helpful. He was a nice guy [and a very capable researcher].CRAWFORD: You mentioned that at the time, Schadt and Helfrich were working on display cells and so forth, and that there were a number of different options for making displays. I have lost track of where they're sold now but I think mostly overseas. I'd come in and do things on a part-time basis, primarily to help with intellectual property issues. I had to hire electrical engineers [or use the electrical expertise we had in-house to create drive electronics for a new technology].CRAWFORD: It sounds like part of the impact of ALCOM, in addition to growing the LCI, was orienting the Institute more towards displays, and it sounds like you were doing a lot more than just liquid crystals.DOANE: Yeah. This chemical physics program was still on the books, but nobody was using it anymore. [If you apply an electrical pulse to it at a certain voltage level it will go to the color reflective texture. Back then, backlights were not very well-developed, and they took a lot of power. We were surprised to see this result. It's a much broader area of physics. [Laugh] It was clear that it was really going to take off. © 2023 Kent State University All rights reserved. He did marvelous things, like starting the Institute and the International Liquid Crystal Conferences. To me, that has made this a delight because you knew so much. One problem with that was that the people who were interested were primarily foreign companies. Al didn't want to get involved in the lawsuit probably because his former student working with him had worked for Hoffmann-La Roche. But he came in very early, after John West.] As a graduate student, when I got into nuclear magnetic resonance, I had a research assistantship while I was working on my PhD, and that was funded with a grant. As I understand Phil, this display technology you're looking at right there on your cell phone is from one of our students.CRAWFORD: For the audio, you're showing me an Apple iPhone. You don't have to wad it up and throw it away. But the champion ended up being Japan. But we really made a nice presentation. Anyway, during this time, I got to know people working in this field and got to become acquainted with some of these researchers and find out what they were doing and so on. And he was very helpful and supportive of this sort of thing. Oral History Interview with J. William Doane by Matthew Crawford. DOANE: Yeah, it was, but my focus changed to the company because I really wanted this company to survive and do well. Not long after he came aboard, he promoted Asad Khan to be his CTO. Anyway, at that time, Glenn was working to form this conference, and he was also considering starting the Liquid Crystal Institute. I thought it was nice to have Fergason doing these things. Were there other types of interactions, people moving back and forth?DOANE: Oh, yes. At that time, the University attorney to handle this was from the firm Watts, Hoffman, Fisher, and Heinke. My father was very interested in astronomy, and he would point out things to me about the Milky Way, the various stars, and so on. Basically, cancerous tissue has a different temperature than normal tissue, and they could detect it by very sensitive temperature measurements using liquid crystals. They got through it well. Then, there was another project he was very excited about, and I thought it was interesting, too, because it was more electronics-oriented. That was even before the shootings. Being a scientist isn't just science. CRAWFORD: Did GM or Hughes send people as well?DOANE: We had demonstrations from Hughes and other companies, but I don't remember exactly the demos they provided. It needed to focus its research. I took my display there, and they let me give a talk on it. CRAWFORD: It sounded more like kind of an aspiration. I was further able to convince them, because Kent Displays was very small and didn't have much of an R&D unit, to let us use their facilities, at a cost, of course, to develop the technology further. CRAWFORD: In 2007, you received another award, the Slottow-Owaki Prize from the Society of Information Displays, and this is an award for your contribution to the education and training of students and professionals in the field of information display. I thought this was an opportunity for the physics department. Doane discusses his life and especially his career as the Director of the Liquid Crystal Institute. I had so many publications, I didn't need to worry about publications for a tenure promotion or anything. Distance (in kilometers) between Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin and the biggest cities of France. DOANE: But THEMIS, as I understood it, they just wanted basic fundamental research on liquid crystals. I was supportive of the applications. At that time, I wasn't interested in doing applications or patenting. He even formed a little radio club. I can get into that later. They sent the two of us to communications school. I thought, "I'm going to see if I can get the administration to let me use this program in the Institute." [Start Part 1]MATTHEW CRAWFORD: My name is Matthew Crawford. CRAWFORD: What did it look like when he was switching?DOANE: It would switch between a specific reflective color to no color at all; that is, become totally transparent. And the size. And we won it, we got it. [Laugh] I have one bigger question for you. I never did like the idea of the technology going to Asia when it was really developed here in the US and in Europe. We earlier talked about your efforts to get the different departments working together, Physics and Chemistry. Bill got the company going, but the defense contracts helped it to grow to further develop the technology. But today at least, you cannot easily separate the two interests because industries are very interested in what universities are coming up with and vice versa. Enter a site search term and use the ENTER KEY to submit your search Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin Localisation : Country France, Region Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes, Department Isre.Available Information : Postal address, Phone number, Fax number, Website, Email address, Mayor, Geographical coordinates, Population, Altitude, Area, Weather and Hotel.Nearby cities and villages : Corbelin, Granieu and Brgnier-Cordon. Wil Franklin was working on viscosity and related things. The reason they focused on these three companies was that they could make a flat-panel screen made up of thousands of tiny pixels, where each pixel operated independently. When I graduated, I had to go into the Army because in order to keep from going into the Army while I was in collegethe Korean War was going on, and I didn't want to get pulled out of college to have to go to Korea. I thought, "Boy, what a neat experiment." An oral history interview with J. William Doane, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Emeritus Director of the Liquid Crystal Institute (LCI) at Kent State University, and Co-Founder and Senior Advisor at Kent Displays, Inc., in Kent, Ohio. I thought I was too old to be a good researcher anymore. One of the things that happened at this time actually involves the Institute. These grants with our own funds helped us build this high-volume manufacturing line so that we could really turn out displays in high volume. I knew it would take millions of dollars to do it. In fact, this company has received funds from the state of Ohio. I hadn't been back in Ohio but a few days, and they sued us. Saupe, being in the Institute off campus, away from the physics department, was never around in physics. It benefits in many ways, beyond licensing income. That was my first inclination that I liked this kind of thing. Now, we can get back to Fergason before I became associate director. I thought it was a great opportunity to really get other people in physics besides myself involved in this. It's very different today than back then.CRAWFORD: When the company first started, it didn't have a manufacturing line. At that time, I know MIT looked at it that way, so I tried to focus Kent State in that direction, too. So I got a board, drilled holes to put the tube in, ran wires down it to put in the holes [and got the oscillator to work]. Prices and availability are subject to change without notice. The writing can stay there forever if desired. John West was very helpful on all of that stuff. To my knowledge, it was the first patent that Kent State ever had, at least following the Bayh-Dole Act. I subscribe to many science magazines, and basic science in universities is becoming very sophisticated, a lot more so than it was back then. Not that there wasn't other good research going on at Kent State, but Kent wasn't that visible as a university where technology is created. If you had something black behind it to create a background, you could switch on and off a bright red image, for example, on black background. They wanted a program that involved multiple universities, not just one. The physics department was very small, and the only way you could get a doctoral program was to do something with chemistry, so they created this graduate program in Chemical Physics. I thought that having him there would really be great. You had talked about how part of moving into that space between physics and chemistry was to encourage interactions and stuff.DOANE: It was golden. The building didn't come until a while after THEMIS. They said they wanted to fill a position, and they invited me to Kent to give a talk on my research. But the nice thing about it is, you can erase it and use it over again. But I'd say from Kent State University's point of view, it was the visibility in the science field. And just after I got here, he had already invited Jim up for an interview. Last month, the real estate company QIC was going to buy Forest City's stake in the Town Center Mall. Then, within a year, my wife got pregnant, and we had another child. Universities transfer their research results to industry where products are developed and manufactured. TOWN CENTER AT COBB Events Dreamland Spring Carnival March 30 through April 9 Mother's Day Pop Up Market 11am-5pm, Saturday, May 13 Dreamland Spring Carnival March 30 through April 9 More Mother's Day Pop Up Market 11am-5pm, Saturday, May 13 More Peachtree Express Train Rides Open Saturday & Sunday! [End Part 3]. At the time, academic research was seen as sort of enabling a freedom to researchers. Kent State wasn't widely known for anything at that time. Peachtree Rides (Mall Train) And I think your work is absolutely essential in exploring how all of this happened and getting the history on it right. The two seemed isolated from each other. They could really build some science programs. It has a writing texture similar to paper. He got an appointment at Texas A&M. We are continuously working to improve the accessibility of our web experience for everyone, and we welcome feedback and accommodation requests. I never really worried about COVID as a disease, I just followed along with what professionals thought we should do. I even made a display out of them. I couldn't come into my lab, and there was a short time we couldn't do things.CRAWFORD: But it didn't lead to a sense of, "Maybe we should downplay our support from the military"?DOANE: No. It seems like a lot of the Nobel laureates are really young fellows or at least made their discoveries at a young age. This turned out to be a big problem, actually.CRAWFORD: Id be happy to hear. I got an investor who could handle a lot of it. They're up in a little town, Kent, Ohio." Furthermore, Saupe wasn't doing physics, he was doing work on the structure of small molecules, so really, chemistry. I didn't know Wil could write so well. Basically, Glenn and I did the best we could to put this together. He asked me if I could solder and things like that, and I said, "Yeah, I can do that." I come from the academic world. I had a friend at MIT who told me that was what they liked to do at MIT, get faculty, post-docs, and students to be entrepreneurs to spin off the technology. They wanted something you could wear, could see very clearly, and not have to change the battery. That is a major benefit because small companies, particularly, cannot afford the very expensive research equipment that universities have for their research. And that's the proposal we gave them and that is what they funded. She'd recall these numbers easily as she was a superb manager.CRAWFORD: What did this mean in terms of the research agenda, either for your group or the Institute as a whole? 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