I started my search for accuracy by seating the Nosler and Berger bullets so that they lightly kissed the rifling. While shooting, I cleaned powder fouling from their barrels after each 25-round string, but applied no additional copper solvent. The .17 Remington, on the other hand, is the darling of predator hunters protective over pelts. Most .17 caliber bullets are much lighter than those of .22 caliber, and that makes them greatly dependent on high velocities for quick kills on varmints. Muzzle velocity was 3,488 fps at a chamber pressure of 46,400 psi. 7 1/2 primers and 4320 have been the go to combo for 17 Rem. Load data for caliber ".17 Rem." The .17 Remington is a short-length cartridge developed by the Remington Arms Company in 1971. Springfield Armory Hellion 5.56 NATO Bullpup Rifle: Tested, SIG Sauer P322 .22 Rimfire Pistol: Full Review. He killed 17 wolves and 6-8 caribou with that load plus who knows how many foxes and coyotes. When preparing loads for the Marlin rifle, I started with two flatnose bullets: the Hornady 45-grain hollowpoint and the Speer 46-grain softnose. : 41,500 50,400 CUP When both are loaded to maximum chamber pressures and fired in barrels of the same length, the Ackley cartridge is about 100 fps faster. I'm getting 3700fps (3/8" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 Classic and 3670fps (1/4" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 BDL. This .65-inch, five-shot group was from Johns handloads with Berger 20-grain Flat Base Target bullets and Reloder 7. Colt Model 1861 Special Musket: What's Its Value? Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. Patrick's top picks for loading the .17 Remington Fireball are Hodgdon's CFE BLK, Accurate's A-2200, Alliant's Reloder 10x and Western Powders' Ramshot X-Terminator. Regardless of the powder used, velocity spread can be a bit high with the 17 Hornet, although it seldom affects accuracy enough to matter within the effective varmint-shooting range of the cartridge. A form die set is required if .221 Fireball cases are used, but those lucky enough to find Remington .17 Fireball brass can simply run them through a .17 Mach IV full-length sizing die, add primer, powder and bullet, and head for the varmint fields. Some seating-depth jockeying would likely reap rewards, and the stock could use some work, as a piece of paper will not slip between barrel and stock. I can consistently keep them under an inch with this load. | With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! My rifle is extremely accurate with the Hornady 40-grain V-Max and Nosler 40-grain Ballistic Tip, but it will not completely stabilize the 50-grain versions of those two bullets. The powder weights for all the loads but one listed in the table were weighed as precisely as I could on a balance scale. Hodgdons load data shows 11.0 grains of H-4198 gave the 20-grain V-MAX a velocity of 3,226 fps. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. I was shooting a custom Remington 40X in .220 Swift, and out to 300 yards my friend never failed to match me shot for shot. The .17 Hornet will become a very popular cartridge if it garners even a small percentage of the .17 rimfires popularity. The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. However, maximum powder charges for the .17 Ackley are 0.2 to 0.7 grain heavier than for the .17 Hornady. His bullets are also exceptionalnot only accurate, but very effective terminally. I have some 25 grain Calhoon .17 bullets that I have been saving for a while. Caleb Giddings, Marketing Manager at Taurus, introduces the all-new TaurusTX 22 Compact. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Savage Impulse Big Game Straight-Pull Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, .375 H&H Mag. LilGun delivered much lower extreme spreads of 45 to 69 fps. Wt. Use a Rem 7 1/2 primer. Pressure indications were still quite mild in my rifle. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. It would not go 20 rounds without overheating the barrel and experiencing velocity excursions. An additional 0.5 grain of LilGun increased the velocity of 20-grain bullets by 198 fps. Tested on 75 & 80 degree days with no pressure problems.. It's just a GREAT load for the 17 Remington.. CCI-450 Primers 26.0grs IMR 4007SCC If the rifles are compared based on the average group size achieved with their favored brand of ammo the results are as follows. All Rights Reserved. The .17 RFB provides 300 to 400 feet per second (fps) velocity gains over the popular .17 Hornet. The most accurate loads have been with the Hornady 20gn and 25gn V-Max bullet which turned in 3-shot groups averaging .50-MoA. advertised factory ballistics are about 100 fps less than the initial claim nearly a century ago. Respective starting charge weights for those two bullets are 15.8 and 15.3 grains. Small powder charges result in cleaner shooting than the .17 Remington though all .17-caliber cartridges require frequent barrel cleaning to assure continued accuracy. Rem. #1 Lilja barrel shipped 2 days ago. I have tried 3 different 20 grain pills out of my 17 Rem. A proprietary hollowpoint design makes these bullets explosive on varmints, the lead-free composition making them relatively long for weight. Its not a spectacular cartridge, though, because a hanging steel plate at 300 yards didnt even move when shot with the tiny V-MAX bullets, but the approximately 200 foot-pounds (ft-lbs) of energy the little bullets still carry at 300 yards is enough to kill a ground squirrel. In the .17s I have worked with, the CCI BR-4 has given me the most consistent accuracybut your results may vary. Lately, I have been experimenting with a 30-grain HPBT from a custom maker in Virginia, Don Unmussig. Many primers have cups (the actual portion of the primer that the firing pin strikes) that are either too thin or too soft for the top loads in this cartridge. I have 200 pieces of brass and I'm ready to go, The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. The .17 Remington was originally introduced with 25 grain bullets, and for this middle weight, most of the powders that work well in a 22-250 or 308 work quite well. When it comes to choosing a primer, it and the 17 Ackley Hornet can be finicky from rifle to rifle. The .17 Hornet (left) looks like a larger version of the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (right). Accuracy of the two powders in my guns is about the same, but the new powder pushes 40- and 50-grain bullets faster at slightly lower chamber pressures. The CZ 527 and Hornady factory loads combined for this 200-yard group. Formed by necking down Remington's .221 Fireball case and increasing shoulder angle to 30 degrees, O'Brien claimed a velocity of 3,700 fps for a 25-grain bullet. The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornadys .17 Hornet. Vihtavuori N133, IMR-8308 XBR and Accurate LT-30 were paired with this bullet, but none particularly impressed. Like those bullets, the Sierra 40- and 45-grain Hornets expand on varmints quite nicely, but since they do not have flat noses, no more than one should be loaded in the tubular magazine of a lever-action rifle. Joe Kurtenbach and Caleb Giddings also look at the first-ever optics-ready carry revolvers with the new Taurus 605 and 856 T.O.R.O. After firing the factory loads, case lengths had stretched to 1.343 inches. Formed by necking down Remingtons .221 Fireball case and increasing shoulder angle to 30 degrees, OBrien claimed a velocity of 3,700 fps for a 25-grain bullet. They produce almost no discernable recoil. Starting at 18.0 grains of CFE BLK, I worked up to 21.5 grains, a charge that fills the case about halfway up its neck. It took Remington until 2008 to adopt the cartridge. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. The factory 20-grain loads were accurate and had a velocity of 3,567 fps when shot from a CZ 527 American. Whereas the Redding Model No. My midway order just showed up with a box of the 20gr noslers and 25gr hornady hp. Of rimfire design, it's ideal for prairie dogs, potgut gophers and most of the smaller furbearers out to a couple of hundred yards. The Sierra 40-grain Hornet is also quite good. At those velocities, drift isnt as significant as some would lead you to believe, either. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. The Sierra 40-grain BlitzKing delivered the smallest groups when seated out to lightly kiss the rifling, while the 50-grain BlitzKing preferred 0.005 inch of jump. The neck of the case will be shorter than on cases formed from .22 Hornet brass, but accuracy is the same and flickertails dont seem to mind. For shooting varmints like prairie dogs or ground squirrels, the 20-grain bullets are hard to beat. The full-page lead photo was filled with two hunters, one tiny rifle and a huge Alaskan brown bear wearing a hide that surely squared 10 feet or better. Nosler unprimed brass and Federal Premium Gold Medal 205 Match Small Rifle primers were used throughout. Good brushes, a good one-piece rod, a bore guide and a solvent at least equal to Shooter's Choice are all smart investments. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. Hodgdon lists as little as 0.3 grain between minimum and maximum powder charges for the .17 Hornady. 55mm. Ive been wrong before when predicting the cartridge-buying habits of small game hunters, but I hope Im not wrong about the .17 Hornady Hornet. 1 Single-Shot Rifle: Tips to Improve Its Accuracy, How to Clean a Rifle Barrel the Effective and Harmless Way, 10 Best 6.5mm Rifle Cartridges Available Right Now, Top 10 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. It fed cartridges measuring 1.750 inches just fine, but to avoid any feeding issues in the field, I reduced COL to 1.745 inches. 17 September 2002, 13:14. A couple thousand of these discontinued bullets were acquired at a substantial savings after the Zombie craze subsided. If you can find either the older Berger 25-grain Target HP (smaller nose opening) or the Hornady HP, youll be in business. According to the story, OBrien wagered that his guide could not kill the bear with his rifle in .17 Mach IVand lost the bet. 17 MACH IV. There were certainly some exceptional groups involved, but the rifle proved more finicky than I anticipated. I could say the same with the Berger 25 grain Flat Base Varmint. The Hornady .17 case, however, is a bit shorter in length and to the base of the shoulder than the Ackley case. While the 17 Fireball is about 300 fps slower with all bullet weights than the 17 Remington, it is probably more popular today because it burns about 20 percent less powder with each squeeze of the trigger. Norma 200, 55gr. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. He admitted to being stuck in his ways and did very little changing. Even the report of most .17-caliber guns is mild, particularly that of rimfire versions. [br] Other powders to consider are those in the same burn rate range. A lot of trouble for sure, but it satisfied my curiosity. The rifle weighs right at 7 pounds with a Turkish walnut stock and a Burris 10x scope. Because the .17 Hornady Hornet case is smaller than the .17 Ackley Hornet case, handloading data for the two cartridges should not be casually interchanged. Due to a higher density, more CFE BLK can be packed into a case. Subscriber Services. Starting and maximum charges vary slightly in the Hornady manual, but no more than to be expected from different lots of the same powders or slight differences in barrels, cases and bullets. In Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Volume II (1966), Ackley writes about himself: The author may or may not have been the originator of the .17 caliber in this country. Accurate: AAC-2460: Subscribe: 3741: Remarks: 20: Hornady V-Max: Accurate: AAC-2460 . Copyright 2005, 2017 by ChuckHawks.com. One of my handloads with 9.5 grains of LilGun gave the 20-grain V-MAX a speed of 3,500 fps. He did try some CFE 223 and was very happy with it. The first one was chambered for the so-called .17 Pee Wee, which was simply the .30 Carbine cartridge necked down to .17, and the first rifle was built . Cases last just short of forever, an important consideration when choosing a powder for loading bucketfuls of cartridges needed for defending your position from hordes of crazed flickertails. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the .22-250 Rem. The author obtained the tools, which took some time, and by the time the tools were ready Mr. ONeil had other things to occupy his mind, so that the project remained static until 1945. I dont know how Hodgdon fit 11.8. When a new cartridge is introduced, its origins can often be traced to a cartridge P.O. Having the tools, it was decided to make a few barrels. Running the cases through a 17 Ackley Hornet full-length resizing die with its decap pin removed resized case necks and bumped the shoulder back just enough to allow entry into the chamber of the rifle but left the primer in place. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. Of the two, the .17 HMR is far and away the most popular. The 527 has a single-set trigger with a pull of 3.5 pounds that contains some creep, but pushing the trigger forward sets it, and pull weight changes to a light one pound. As with any cartridge, whenever changing to a new lot of powder, its always best to load a few rounds at lower charge weights and chronograph them to check velocity against that of your existing load. It ends up with a shorter neck than a case formed from 22 Hornet brass, but prairie dogs dont seem to mind, and accuracy does not suffer. The factory 20-grain loads were accurate and had a velocity of 3,567 fps when shot from a CZ 527 American. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. The Berger 25-grain bullet preferred 0.010 inch. My best load with the 20gn V-Max was 10gn of Lil Gun for a sizzling 3699fps, but 10gn of AR2205 gave a handy 3535fps and WIN-296 did 3550fps. Up front, I expected more from this rifle. The .17 Fireball easily breaks 4,000 fps with 20-grain bullets and only 17 to 20 grains of powder. Hornady loads its .17 Hornet Superformance Varmint cartridges with 20-grain V-MAX bullets and 15.5-grain NTX bullets, with a stated muzzle velocity of 3,650 fps for the V-MAX and 3,870 fps for the NTX. Bullet weights from 15.5 to 25 grains were tested. It varied among the three bullets tried. Neck sizing the cases stretched them to 1.344. Full-length sizing the fired cases, though, lengthened them .006 inch. Well Russ, you picked a bullet I've never tried. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. Having a burn speed close to H4198 and IMR 4198 makes CFE BLK suitable for use in a variety of applications, including the .17- and .22-caliber varmint cartridges covered in this report. Smooth flow is also convenient to those who load on a single-stage press as it allows powder charges to be dispensed by a measure as opposed to the slower method of weighing each charge. The Berger 30-grain bullet delivered only slightly better accuracy with 0.005-inch jump than with no jump, and an increase of another 0.005 inch opened up groups. The .17 Remington is a fun and interesting round to work with. When introducing the .17 Remington Fireball in 2008, Remington copied the .17 Mach IV case with the exception of a couple of dimensions. Possibly more germane, I was unable to clean the barrel as often as I would have liked during testing, my pull-through bore snake was too short to fish through the 26-inch barrel. The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. Hornady Custom Grade full-length dies were used to size and load the .17s. Good brushes, a good one-piece rod, a bore guide and a solvent at least equal to Shooters Choice are all smart investments. Longer stick propellants can bridge when flowing through purpose-designed .17 caliber powder dispensing equipment, and for this reason I always weigh my charges carefully and inspect the charged cases prior to the bullet seating operation. The interior magazine length of Remington Model 700 rifles chambered for this cartridge is shortened at the factory by the installation of a filler block. Give a Gift Using 17.5 grains of Reloder 10x produced a .21-inch group at 3,787 fps. The magazine of the Ruger rifle will handle longer. When a new cartridge is introduced, its origins can often be traced to a cartridge P.O. Have you tried H322? Winchester created this load, and named it for what it wasswift. In todays guise, benefitting of more modern manufacturing methods, propellants, a better understanding of twist rates, and cleaning procedures and products, the .17 really shines within its niche. Those are not huge differences in bullet drop and drift between the two bullet diameters, although the .22s do deliver more energy to the target. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. The V-MAX bullets had an average velocity of 3,567 fps for 10 shots recorded 10 feet in front of the muzzle of the 21.90-inch barrel of a CZ 527 American. | Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. CFE BLK shined, with 16 grains of powder producing a .45-inch group at 3,792 fps, and a maximum load of 17 grains printing .50 inch at 4,091 fps. Compression is light when the Berger 30-grain bullet is seated to an overall cartridge length of 1.830 inches. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. The original powder charge was then poured back in, and the factory bullet was seated to the original overall cartridge length of 1.712 inches. The barrel and action include a protective Parkerized finish. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several lead-free projectiles add to the .280's versatility. About the same time, Hornady introduced its version of the 25-grain HPand this was (and is) an excellent bullet, though sadly it appears to be out of production at the moment. I had also scrubbed the barrel the night before. bullet. This bullet was good in its day and set the tone for the .17s reputation as an excellent pelt caliber. If the rifle is accurate, one really has to be "off the playing field" to assemble handloads that won't shoot. maximum of 52,000 CUP for the 221 Fireball and also considerably below the pressure generated by a maximum charge of LilGun with the Berger 30-grainer. Depending on the size of the cartridge case housing the tiny bullets, performance ranges from mostly suitable for rodents inside 200 yards to deadly on bigger predators out to 400 yards. Seventeen-caliber cartridges have always fascinated a certain group of handloaders for some mystical reason. was IMR4320. The .17 Rem's efficient ballistics allow . The Best of both worlds: After nearly 4 years of waiting, Dan Wesson's DWX is here. Pressures generated in Hodgdons pressure barrel for an 18.0-grain charge behind those two bullet weights was only 33,500 and 35,700 CUP respectively. Full-length sizing is fine if you want cartridges to headspace off the .17s rim, but that amount of sizing set the case shoulders back .005 inch, which can cause cases to split around the web after firing them a few times. I'll second the 4320. All rights reserved. In the course of our rifle reviews we ordinarily test for accuracy using as many different loads as possible and tabulate the results. 8208 is now my go to powder for the 17 Schism Feb 22, 2017 #7 bobcat93 said: I'm getting 1 1/2" -1 I'm using my cz527 With the CZ sighted in 1.40 inches high at 100 yards, the bullets still hit an inch above aim at 200 yards. The Hornets velocities are about 500 fps slower than the Fireballs. Ackley and others began developing centerfire cartridges smaller than .22 caliber soon after the end of World War II, and they really got busy during the 1950s. Especially Remington brass. I also wondered if this rifle just didnt like heavier slugs, so I decided to try some 25 grain Hornady V-MAX I had acquired after assembling initial loads in a component-shortage swap with a friend. Meet the all-new Taurus Judge Executive Grade, a revolver featuring a hand-polished satin finish, presentation-grade wood grips, a brass rod front sight and an exceptional hand-tuned trigger.

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