since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. %%EOF Junior Member . There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as 0000001796 00000 n I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska Fjestad. Liege. 0000001770 00000 n reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. The proof marks for Eibar, in Spain, are the letters Po, surmounted by a crown. Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. Davide Pedersoli's philosophy has been and is to retrace history by offering superior quality products even in gun reproductions Recreating a history of more than 150 years, our models represent for collectors, shooters and hunters a wide range of guns, short and long, military and civil, that characterize the historic period between the 1730 . I have a Piettas revolver that is marked with the letters. 0000002932 00000 n If it is a fake it's more likely any of the Italian proof marks and makers stamps were carefully filed off or filled then filed. xb``b``` @16 l-,8sh-[1%3*.\ M=S!b6B>&X=ME#e*U3\'VC~Aa1 &w"2))vttgh \4 Tb@Rj hd`@ )fc``T v`#l> ^1?Y,Zi;?I+OT)po=|:U:EK{ mg`r#w /r] CD - 2009. Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. 0000037574 00000 n 0000090159 00000 n Starting price $549. 1946 = 2. conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. From left to right: year of manufacture, Gardone V.T. Many of the models imported are classified as curios and relics. New rule called for marking of gauge along with shell length for smoothbore barrels. From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. In 1888 it was decided by a joint meeting of the Gunmakers Company and the Birmingham Guardians that a new supplementary proof for smokeless powder should be instituted in 1893, 1896, and 1904; the rules were further adjusted to allow for new powders. It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. location, rather than a manufacturer. trailer typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes . I've got some recent guns and you have extrapolated the Date Codes exactly right. 1946 = 2. 0000009588 00000 n AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. startxref 0000003452 00000 n ITALIAN PROOF MARKS CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1951 since 1951 since 1951 Brescia Gardone Gardone & Brescia provisional proof for all guns provisional proof for all guns definitive proof for guns with smokeless powder finish proof for firearms ready for sale 1st black powder proof since 1951 since 1951 FEMALE PEOPLE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, OOWSS, Umpqua Regulators, Siuslaw River Rangers, RUCAS, Jefferson State Regulators, Klamath Cowboys, Wolverton Mt. 0000037713 00000 n Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Mf+wwJcC] }oUA!o=}OWWAn7 This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. The information was given to me years ago and yes I was wondering myself how they got 30% more powder into the cylinders! Serial Numbers. Testing the gun 0000005702 00000 n Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. 0000002933 00000 n 0000011188 00000 n HT=0+ @|7IqE.sQ"$9>tB}vUe&iF=P[mEjo(lHBRAu)0u^Y_8Ii)uLBAo*3 3SL*l4r_g[#}eF9ihFCym>s@MRFzaVLz8 Some of the better reproductions, such as those by Colt, Ruger, or Thompson Center, might tend to retail more in the $100 to $350 range. country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. cases. T^;y} 4E 0 These Black Powder only Cal. 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>> endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream We have provided you Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. The same rulses are more or less applied today. 0000012438 00000 n 1860 Army Engraved Black Powder Revolver .44 cal Blued. 0000000016 00000 n >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} 0000001196 00000 n 1992 = BB. hb````g`c`0 B@16Le7w'o{` TxMCS/xJe:JgNf_%B"\j %Ry\azM,Po}*;dA6a` q !I20d JPB`P!f)L|1>(x5 LN!A!p5_6&.g`xi,alhpg+. 0000001989 00000 n The markings are factory inspection and proof markings. 0000001752 00000 n Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. Largest pricelist of weapons and civil supplies. Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gun-making by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. 0000010481 00000 n August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. 0000010518 00000 n Serial Numbers. 3. 0000007778 00000 n 1891 - present 16 This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. proof marks. Information, NRA Serial Number: 12150. Condition Grading Definitions For Antique Firearms, This website may not Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. 178 0 obj <>stream 0000012277 00000 n Powered by Invision Community. "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. 0000052569 00000 n The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over endstream endobj 137 0 obj <> endobj 138 0 obj <>/Encoding<>>>>> endobj 139 0 obj <> endobj 140 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB]/ExtGState<>>> endobj 141 0 obj <> endobj 142 0 obj <> endobj 143 0 obj <> endobj 144 0 obj <> endobj 145 0 obj <> endobj 146 0 obj <> endobj 147 0 obj <> endobj 148 0 obj <>stream Uberti Recommends. 0000036564 00000 n . Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. My feeling is you have a Walker copy someone made look old. Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. 0000097375 00000 n Join Date: August 15, 2012. and an eagles head. During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. 0000109588 00000 n Some proof marks on side of frame and the roman numeral XX. Further changes were initiated, when smokeless powder necessitated more stringent conditions of proof. 1810 -> Liege. It is usually a combination of heraldry and letters or logos, which need to be decoded in order to determine the actual manufacturer of the reproduction. 0000051690 00000 n since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. Recalling that I'd typically shot 30 grains through my Italian 1860 Army, I velocity-tested the Colt with 19 grains, 25 grains, and 30 grains. 0000005085 00000 n 0000087569 00000 n 0000011101 00000 n As a result, we have a group of markings appearing on replica revolvers that have taken a long time to be identified because of the special conditions in the market at that time. Prior to 1954, the year of proof was indicated in full Arabic numerals. 0000108581 00000 n 0000006260 00000 n 0000005284 00000 n These marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. 0000136869 00000 n And with these symbols and date codes, we can usually track down who actually made the firearm. Model: Reproduction LeMat Army Revolver. startxref to share our findings by this means of communication. 0000002251 00000 n I hope it will aid those seeking information on their black powder cap & ball reproduction revolvers. The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. 0000015263 00000 n 0000007839 00000 n 136 43 Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. During the 1960s, 1970s, and even into the 1980s there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 Some of the tables stop at 2010 or so. 0000005051 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. Location: High & Dry . The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may have stamps on the tubes, under the forend. Year of Manufacture: 1997 (BI Date Code) Caliber: .44 Cal. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. Price: $380.00. Proof God Bless the USA! SKU: FR186012. 0000096658 00000 n 0000008415 00000 n 136 0 obj <> endobj 0000002293 00000 n NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. 0000004839 00000 n weapon. Miscellaneous Get this product now as it would not last. 0000003674 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. Parisa cipher of E. and P. set back to back (as shown below). Fairly common in comparison, owners would have their favorite smokepole bored out instead of having the barrel re-rifled or "refreshed". The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. to identify the manufacturer. 0000002272 00000 n Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. 0000013943 00000 n gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. 0000107556 00000 n Thanks for your help. 0000005942 00000 n Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above]. Italian firearms date year of proof codes. 0000016641 00000 n 0000105108 00000 n 0 Says made in italy on barrel. or E.C. There are the RRRs, the *PN and * Gardone proof marks and an AB date code. U.S.A.Most pistols exported from the United States are not proof marked in their country of origin. Well worth some research. 0000003341 00000 n There is a complete lack of many records, but with the assistance of many replica collectors from around the world, and especially in France and Italy, we have been able to identify many of them. Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). I have searched for this site but can't find it. If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. this location now so you can return often. 0000104236 00000 n Many Italian made reproduction cap and ball firearms retail used in the $40 to $150 range. In some cases this cipher is also preceded by the figures 16, and followed by a capital B., also surmounted by a crown. 0000002445 00000 n Product Catalog Revolvers made in Italy Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend Special offers BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. 0000092657 00000 n Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. 0000002052 00000 n INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. J. 0000106738 00000 n Thank you for PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN 1891-1928 Budapest smokeless powder proof for parabellum pistols Since 1981 Ferlach smokeless powder proof for parabellum . <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. 0000110238 00000 n Italian Date Codes. I relative gave me a .36 Colt-type percussion revolver. 0000016002 00000 n 0000052548 00000 n (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . F.A.P. Besides these national collections, there are many municipal and private galleries whose curators have formed most excellent catalogues, but in the main this knowledge is uncoordinated. 0000078548 00000 n acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". %%EOF 1948 = 4. Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. That was the original article that I read. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? In now represents definitive black powder proof except for muzzle loaders 1893 - present 14 Designates guns with rifled chokes. . All that tells is that it was made in Italy in 1976. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. The previous owner kept it in a display in his gun room. This will be an on going I have not been able to locate an authoritative resource The brass frame makes it a Confederate. 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