I came along too late for soldiers to be issued M14s with a happy switch, so cant talk about them. 3105 North Stone AvenueColorado Springs, CO 80907, Only registered users can write reviews. One slight correction: The 7.62 NATO cartridge is not a reduced power .30-06, at least not in terms of the military loads. Just a causal observation. http://www.zediker.com/downloads/14_loading.pdf. Tell me how many times you have been charged by a cape buffalo in all those years. Mauser had it right. There is a wealth of info about bolt guns in his books: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/379313/bolt-action-rifle-volume-1-and-2-cd-rom-by-stuart-otteson. Ive found this M1A 4.5 lbs trigger group : http://www.smithenterprise.com/spec/4.5lb_Trigger03.pdf Combined with a Sadlak NM Spring guide rod, I cut my shot-group in half. The XD set the new industry standard for comfort, ease of operation, features and performance. There is something about holding my Garand that just feels nice. I never got that. The ultimate icon. I have other M70/Mauser type rifles that do not have that feature and do not see the use for it on a hunting rifle. Register. If you train correctly you dont normally need individual automatic fire. Machined from genuine 8620 steel forgings per mil-spec. You must log in or register to reply here. For a proven rifle that comes loaded with all the bells and whistles you need to dominate at the range, look no further than the Loaded M1A from Springfield Armory. WRT to op-rod issues, the M14/M1A op-rod is far sturdier than the M1 op-rod in addition the gas port is closer to the chamber whereas the M1s gas port is next to the muzzle. PLEASE SEND US AN EMAIL DETAILING WHAT YOU HAVE. I appreciate the enhanced background into why the M14 failed as a main battle rifle. Descended from the M14 rifle, the M1A is a civilian-legal semi-auto version of that revered U.S. Military rifle that dominates the competition fields and the heart of America. ALOHA. What king of gun You have? A 1911 with a host of duty-grade features. I also used the 14 when I competed on the Army High Power Rifle team, if I did my part it actually was hard to miss. At all. Too many people babble on about which bedding compound is harder or some such nonsense. Combining modern materials and design with a heritage spanning back more than a century. I think that they started with one DM with a 5.56 rifle per squad. They had to return without accomplishing thier mission because it appeared that an American platoon still occupied the hill, so obviously the sounds they heard were reinforcements, not a withdrawal. Gotta find a competent smith in the Northeast to do the trigger work you recommend. If you go ahead and do this I would be interested in seeing your resulting data. This modified operating rod catch simply swaps out with the original but significantly changes the M1's method of operation in the following ways: A full or empty eight-round en bloc clip can. Increased wear resistance, corrosion resistance, fatigue strength, and lubricity. Bullet walk isnt really an issue in a 10 lb rifle like it is in a 16 oz snub. Nov 3, 2009 289 79 37 Home > M14 / M1A > Parts > Op Rod Spring Guide, M14 / M1A. I also want a cone breech, but thats yet another topic. Not one problem, but I did have a very good time. Its no wonder that the post WWII generation in America built endless custom guns off of the 03. The flat knob protruding from the right side at the rear of the receiver where it meets the stock is the happy switch. If your barrel has already been lapped, I wouldnt be fire-lapping it. The Russians went to full auto because they didnt train their cannon fodder infantry to shoot. Our Custom 1911 pistolsmiths have over 200 combined years of experience and individually hand fit every major component of your firearm. The old M 1 was, of coarse, deservedly a legend with lots of heft and mass but I did feel it was a bit too much for close range. that means more of the cartridge is grabbed. Ive known competitors who have shot Berger 185gr bullets for years with IMR-4895 and theyve never had a problem. Then, after bedding, you should remove the action/barrel from the stock as little as possible. When Springfield Armory made the civilian-legal variant in 1974, shooters across the land rejoiced. Cerakote finish. Home > M14 / M1A > Parts > Op Rod Spring Guide, NM, Sadlak, M14 / M1A. Look at it carefully and youll see that the front edge of that groove is beveled, so as to pull the extractor onto the rim That was quite a detailed bit of machining in that day. The M14/M1A is, functionally, a Garand action for a shorter cartridge and a removable box magazine. Most match shooters dont crimp their .308 or 30-06 loads. 1911 which has served for more than a century with members of the U.S. military. Screwing up happens to everyone no matter how much training one has. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. When you read through the history from that era, its quite interesting. http://www.treelinem14.com/M14-M1A-USGI-Stock-Liner-Screws-2-M14STSLSC.htm. You are using an out of date browser. I have 6 Model 70s both pre-64s and Classics. The SAINT offers upgraded features where they matter most. As much as I like the pre-64 Winchester action it isnt perfect. Made in USA. Unpossible. As he had the example of the BAR to inspire him it seems reasonable that he would have at least have experimented with a box mag. @Dyspeptic Gunsmith: where would you recommend obtaining gunsmith training (i.e. Battle Proven. Ill take a mauser over any american-made bolt action (other than the 03 which is a mauser LOL). None of these fine rifles are perfect, yet each has features that are after all these years, nobody has designed one rifle combining them all. Please. Parts may be new manufacture, USGI, or mix of both. The Germans would have over run their position once they heard the * ping * of the empty Garand clip being ejected. So the M1A never really took off, despite being a true battle rifle and very accurate. Thanks for the additional info. Which is really just a functional equivalent of the .300 Savage but no further. But i didnt succeed right now to find lessweight trigger for M1A. 7.62 NATO power in a package this small was previously unthinkable, but this ultra-modern rifle will have you believing the extraordinary. In used/fair condition. Yeah he was Strange all right. M1A Front Handguard Band, *Very Good* $12.50. Springfield 1903/A3, Garand and M14/M1A triggers all can be made very, very nice with minimal work by a gunsmith. the average person will never know this . Installing an AR trigger certainly isnt difficult most owners could do it easily. With iron sights, I can achieve groups of just over 1MOA with use of a sling, a supported shooting position and premium ammo in a rack grade barreled rifle with sight, stock and trigger work. Only the wood stocks have metal liners, the USGI synthetic do not require them. That is a lot more effective than spraying lots of lead in every direction. Or maybe youre just such a froid sang sort of person that this feature is a superfluous waste on. By the way, the picture is identified as an M1A. I wrote the author before the Military had a successful conversion to make a M-14 fire 5.56mm in the late 60s but Robert McNamara and Co where sold on Colts M-16A1 so test went no wear after testing. The most iconic battle rifle in American history. I went distinguished with the M-14. Fire lapping for accuracy? M14 / M1A Stripper Clips, Set of 5, 7.62 NATO, *Very Good*, M14 / M1A Flash Hider Assembly w/Front Sight, USGI, *Good*, M1A / M14 Dual Magazine Pouch, OD Green Canvas w/Belt Loops, Greek, *Good*, M1A / M14 Dual Magazine Pouch, OD Green Canvas w/Metal Hangers, Greek, *Good*, M14 Stock, 33.5", Wood, Refinished Brown, USGI, *Good*, M1A / M14 Standard Weight Barrel, 22", Chrome Lined, 1 in 12, Parkerized, 7.62x51, *NEW*, M1A Operating Rod Spring Guide, *Very Good*, M14 / M1A Barrel, Chrome Lined, Marked H&R, Parkerized, 22" Long, 7.62 NATO, *Good*, Sold *As Is*. It is a simple, do it yourself procedure. I know the 308 is too much for the G3. M14 Rifle Operating Rod, HRA,in *Very Good* condition. Descended from the M14 rifle, the M1A is a civilian-legal semi-auto version of that revered U.S. Military rifle that dominates the competition fields and the heart of America. BTW, overall, I think the post-64 Win70 has a lot of positive attributes that have been ignored by shooters over the years in favor of the Rem700-style actions, but thats a topic for another day and another thread. The real secret to a successful bedding compound is that they dont shrink over time. Looking from a very shallow angle from the end of the bore often leads you to think that your barrel is smooth much smoother than it really is. The 7.62 Nato wasnt a total loss though, serving well in a set up machine gun role with both the M 60 and the incomparable MG 42 in all its modern formats. (Or any other rifle, really. Machined from genuine8620 steel forgings per mil-spec. This is a great upgrade part for your M14 / M1A! Are you a young person looking for a career, or an old fart looking for a career change? I bought an M1A some time agogood trigger, bedded composite stock and Leatherwood scope (and National Match iron sights as well). That little little plate with two holes in it is the stock liner screw. It holds the metal stock liner in place. I left the painted rack number on it, but cleaned off the gook and grime and used Tung oil for a finish. We lost him a few years ago and he is missed. The schooling and tools are a substantial investment expense well over $20K for out-of-state folks. It is not the best action for venting gas in the event of a case rupture. Well, CRF is great in theory, but there are times when the round somehow escapes the claw, then you either have to force the extractor over the rim risking damaging or breaking it, or you pick the round out of the chamber by pocketknife so your wonderful CRF rifle can actually chamber and fire the next round. BUT I do own a K98, 1093-A3, Finnish M39 Nagant, SMLE, Garand, M1 Carbine and ARs. It isnt even M-14s that Obama prohibits reimportation; its the WWII vintage M1s, and M1 carbines. WLCE: You need to look for two books written by Stuart Otteson. If you smooth out the tooling marks in the bore, you reduce the abrasion of copper jacket material off your bullets, thereby reducing fouling. Sold Individually. The Standard Issue M1A is a faithful semi-auto recreation of the original M14. Some recommend adding Loc-Tite. Were talking of only about a 200fps reduction in muzzle velocities from a .30-06 in 150gr bulllets. Machined from genuine 8620 steel forgings per mil-spec. This is a whole nuther topic which could inspire a rather lengthy thread, but Ill try to condense it as much as possible. Product specifications are subject to change without notice. All of course have coned breeches. The Garands only flaw was the 8 round clip. i dont know much about that model of winchester. 1101 Mason Circle Drive Pevely, MO 63070 Mon-Fri 8:00am - 4:00pm CST, 2023 Midwest Gun Works, Inc. - All Rights Reserved. I dont own a M1A (yet), but the few Ive picked up have given me a similar feeling. Rest assured, you will still benefit from our vast product selection and industry-leading customer service. This spring set instantly incresed the smoothness and consistency of cycling on my M1A. think about it: such a cartridge would have solved problems that we would encounter in the 21st century in afghanistan. The M14 just wanted to be a squad designated rifle that one could hunt deer with at home. A traditional M1A, loaded with all the features you want to take your rifle to the next level. Certainly not $2,500. The first round will simply eject. NB nowhere here have I diverged into mounting glass on the M1A. Garand, Pedersen, et al were working on semi-auto battle rifles clear back to the early 1920s. Maybe some of our recent veterans can enlighten me on what kind of squad level tactics are currently in play. Inside many barrels, there are tooling marks. There is nothing in the stock which extends through the trigger group. Great story. The argument of clips vs. box magazines was fought out in the War Department Requirements for Semiautomatic Rifles in a requirements circular in 1921(!). Originalcondition. Founding Member. 1stIDvet Non-sniper. The Marines never dropped them. For barrels that are not already lapped that arent hammer forged, Id hold off fire-lapping until or unless I saw a problem, starting with copper fouling. Disclaimer this is NOT a Mini-14 it used a pure John Garand action for these tests!!! All of the barrel makers who do this are either single-point cutting their rifling or button rifling their barrels. Thank you kindly for taking the time to reply. Improves the consistency and smooth motion of the operating rod. Just proves how much i have yet to learn about firearms, gun culture and politics. If you need lessons on how, find a retired Marine NCO, age 65 or older. 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