It's good for target or mid-range loads in magnums but it's faster burning than AA9, 2400, or H110/WW296, 4227 or Lil'gun. Just received some info back from Callahan Mciver at Hodgdon Powder. The 8 barrel pistol gas in a word was uncomfortable to shoot without ear protection. 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. by 41Bear Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:44 am, Post Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. 11.5 Grains 2.195 COL. I wanted to see how light of a bullet that could be cycled, I run an 18 1/10 twist carbine gassed rifle, port size is .110 with a M16 Lmt enhanced BCG and a JP heavy/tungsten captured spring using the heaviest spring. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). By the end of 2016, you should find complete load data for CFE BLK on the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center at www.HodgdonReloading.com. Much of the effectiveness of that round relies upon its 3,000 feet per second . WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. by wildfowler Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:29 pm, Post https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406443/Screenshot_2019-05-14_at_6_52_41_AM-944706.png. N110: Similar to Hodgdon H110 and Winchester 296. I like H110 under Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. JMHO, but I would back off of that. There is very low port and muzzle pressure. 1056 It is cross-compatible with 223 Rem/5.5645 magazines. The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. And I can attest to the fact it does a number on rock chucks. It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Basically 22 grains, I dropped ten charges and weighed them on a Gempro 250. No amount of coating will keep 55,000 psi from cutting a soft bullet. This might end up being a very good powder for carbine gassed guns. "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans." . 11.2 grn This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. Here is a target at fifty yards. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. Its not quite that bad, but seemed that way. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. alamo5000 I won't go into powers or practices as other, better men than I have already spoken however if you, or anyone here for that matter, need to order on line might I suggest Graf & Sons. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You are using an out of date browser. It is only fifty yards, I am quite sure at 100 I would measure it in feet. 19 IMR Co IMR GREEN 69 Hodgdon CFE BLK 119 Norma 204 20 Winchester WST 70 Norma 200 120 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V . CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. I say try all of them and see which ones work best. For supersonic or subsonic loads? Well damn. The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. Im not going to hunt deer with it. NRA Life Member, but the GOA is who I support. 16 SD, Original load, Hodgdon data. 1047 Berry's 220 grain 300 Blackout bullets. It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. Email ( required; will not be published ). - Lowell George. You can lap the inside of the seater stem so that it matches the exact profile of the bullet. _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas 300 Blackout vs. 350 Legend. Also good to use with Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357, .41, .44, .454 Casull and .500 S&W magnum cartridges. That makes CFE BLK ideal for small cartridges such as the .17 Hornet and .221 Fireball. JavaScript is disabled. JavaScript is disabled. It's suppose to be a good powder between Lil Gun, win296/H110 and A1680, SWB, CFE BLK. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. I know felt recoil is subjective, however, there is a noticable difference in both my carbine and rifle between the two powders. H110 is optimized for .30 Carbine. In all honesty I do not shoot enough 1680 as a sub powder to compare the two without loading and shooting them side by side. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to 8.6 BLK H110 vs CFE BLK I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. 1011 The left side group that is marked was the 8 barrel, unmarked 18. 1023 average with 14.0 sd out of a 16" Ruger American. Zeroed it at 50. Nonetheless if your ultimate goal is a higher velocity supersonic round I will concur that H110 or W269 is the preferred powder. I knew going in that I might be giving up 2-250fps with the cfe black vs. h110 but I already have 8# of the cfe blk. 1063 The initial loads in the original post were by the book. 300 Blackout Journey Page 7 Hammer Of Thor, 300 Blackout Journey Page 10-Competition Electronics Digital Link, Reloading 300 Blackout: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300, I Am Coming Out: 308 Subsonic AR10 vs AR15 300 Blackout 200gr Hornady ELD-X, Comprehensive Corrosion Test: 46 Products Compared, Waltz, DRock, PacoAcuRzr resizing dies bulk 22LR testing, A tribute to William Mike Willard of Swamp Fox Ammunition, The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ?S-670 40 AMOTFORS ? Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Winchester 296 . I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. Lil'Gun does better for accuracy in the bolt, but A1680 cycles the ARs more reliably with subs. It is going to be in the neighborhood of HS-6, which is too fast for your gun. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Hodgdon data only shows IMR4227 loads. Fast Facts About 300 Blackout. I use mostly Hornady heads and I really like this caliber. _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); 771 fps Using H110 and Barnes Tac-TX 110gr for a supersonic load leaves me with enough confidence for whitetail at a reasonable distance, and it isn't too much . 1038 Barrel time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 11.2 CFE BLK The fun news is that with this setup I was able to have full function shooting Hornady 150 fmj #3037 bullets when suppressed. 11.5 grn It's exactly this velocity drop that caused folks to start looking at alternatives to the 5.56mm NATO projectiles. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). LC converted 1.350, 1067 fps I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. The 300 is a heavy for caliber version of the 30 carbine. It wasnt the original GI powder, by any means. I love my H110 for supers with my 110g V-Max. of H-110 which is our standard loading and it gave 1,151 fps at 42,500 psi. . H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. I've used H110, 4227, Lil' Gun, CFE, Blackout, Trail Boss, and A1680. (ft/s) PRESSURE GRS. A H110 18.8 2259 40600 20.0 2382 50600 C A H110 18.8 2220 39300 20.0 2348 50800 C 21.96, 22.00. This is the results of five shots. Back to the Hornady 208 Amax. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. 896 fps This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. CFE BLK is a spherical (ball) powder. 56 ES AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. CFE BLK did have exceptional accuracy though worth the 110 Vmax. H110/W296 can give me more velocity with lighter bullet weights. 73802E56-837F-48A2-A7B4-AF21CA7EB748.jpeg, FF62D836-B35B-4269-9A64-85377653D7E4.jpeg. Hodgdon H110 $38.99 - $291.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE 223 $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H335 $39.99 - $294.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H4831SC $54.99 - $345.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE Pistol $36.99 - $262.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon Longshot $36.99 - $277.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE BLK $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon RETUMBO $54.99 - $391.99 Hodgdon If they are growing, you have too much compression. They literally explode. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. I surmised that it was in part because of the larger charge weight recommended. Any thoughts on if it's worth the time and effort to try to work up a load with CFE BLK? and our I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm, Post Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. I only load supers and use the 125 gr Nosler BT. I'm running 20.5gr with 110's. Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. I pulled my trigger group and stripped my bolt. Not being argumentative, just curious. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. As someone said above, maybe the case capacity of this brass is lower causing it to be more full???? Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Heres some data from today out of my buddys AR 300 Blk 16 barrel. Can you provide data for reloads using the CFE BLK. A friend suggested maybe the bullet jacket is just crazy thin on this run of V-Max?? Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The group on the right of the pic below is much better than those numbers indicate. 208 Amax I would look into SBR Socom. The others were fine in the bolt, but AR reliability dropped significantly with subs with H110 and 4227. LC converted 1.350. I was interested in seeing the flash suppression qualities. SWEDEN, 10MM Fenix FXP Ammunition 180gr Speer Gold Dot Gel Test, Underwood 10MM 150gr Nosler ? yeah thats pretty bad its not just a mark, I have a nice area 419 funnel Im using and I tap them down when filling to get it to settle. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; It was designed for the 9mm and the 40 but will work in the 10mm. A first look at the new Hodgdon CFE BLK powder for 300 blackout. Can be used in small rifle cartridges like the .22 Hornet and .30 Carbine. So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. Spent a little more time with CFE today, learning the quirks of the powder. Hodgdon reports the CFE BLK meters well, allowing reloaders to throw very consistent charges every time: "This fine powder meters like a dream and leaves no copper residue, extending accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy." CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers' Shelves in January 2017 ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. by ThreeHundredBlackout Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm, Post We use it for everything from the 110's to 160+ grain bullets in our 10.5" barrels. Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. I did not shoot without the suppressor. I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post VEL. New CFE BLK shares this reduced fouling technology which was developed originally for the U.S. military. I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. Primers showed some flattening, more than I would have expected for only 37,400 psi. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. I did not take a picture of trigger group, it was actually still very clean. Everything I read suggested that more compression is better with this powder from an accuracy standpoint. hardcast loaded to 2.250". For more information, please see our When 350 Legend debuted, Winchester claimed it was the fastest straight wall cartridge ever released. . Bull-X now has a 300 grain flat-nosed bullet available for the I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and . 800 fps [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs. The post is about my experience between H110 and Lil'Gun in .357mag used in 20" and 24" leverguns explaining that I switched powders for the much lower peak pressure advantage expecting to see a slight drop in velocities as is the case with Lil'Gun when used in pistol length barrels but instead I found I got a large velocity increase along with the expected lower peak pressure. JavaScript is disabled. Still marred. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Very accurate. This week 11.5 grains at 2.195 had and ES 56, SD 21. I'm using a suppressor and 16 inch barrel and there is plenty of gas to cycle the action reliably and give me around 1050 fps. 2.185 COL The H110 produced a sharp crack recoil in my leverguns while the Lil'Gun produces a longer, stronger recoil. These subsonic 300 Blackout loads require 30 caliber bullets in the 190-250 grain range which can get real expensive real quick! A very popular cartridge, this 50AE based case contains a .308 style But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. A couple of known loads were within reason. 220 Hornady RN, 12.1gr CFE BLK, sig brass, cci 450. My 300 is mainly a range blaster so it does what I need it to do. This content without express written consent is prohibited throughout a range of bullet weights fine the. 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